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Blair failed to detain suspects without charge { November 9 2005 } Original Source Link: (May no longer be active)    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4422086.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4422086.stm Last Updated: Wednesday, 9 November 2005, 18:10 GMT Blair defeated over terror laws Tony Blair has suffered his first defeat after MPs rejected his plan to allow police to detain terror suspects without charge for up to 90 days. MPs rejected the plans by a bigger than expected margin of 322 votes to 291, before later backing a 28 day limit. The defeat came despite Mr Blair saying MPs had a "duty" to support the police. Tory leader Michael Howard said Mr Blair should resign after failing to "carry his party" but Downing Street says it was not a confidence issue. The defeat does not mean Mr Blair, who is already pledged to stand down before the next election, will have to stand down as prime minister. But BBC political editor Nick Robinson said that although Mr Blair would keep fighting, there would be questions about his authority. Liberal Democrat frontbencher Simon Hughes said the defeat marked a "momentous day" which could bring forward Mr Blair's departure from office. "It was a major error of judgement and it undermines Mr Blair's chances of staying on," said Mr Hughes. And for the Conservatives, Mr Howard said the vote had "so diminished" Mr Blair's authority that he should quit. 'Disappointed' But the prime minister's official spokesman said: "We don't see this as a matter of confidence in the prime minister as it was a proposal put forward by the police and which we supported." Mr Blair was disappointed by the result, said the spokesman, but had thought it was right to risk losing a vote rather than not have a vote at all. "The police and public supported what the government was trying to do...," he said. "Parliament reached a different decision which has to be respected but the debate will continue." Downing Street says the decision is not in the interests of the country - Mr Blair always said anything less than the 90-day plan would be "second best" for the nation's security. 'No police state' The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and some Labour backbenchers said the 90-day plans went too far. Civil liberties groups compared the proposal to internment - a charge rejected by ministers. In his final plea for MPs to back the plans, Mr Blair urged MPs to take the advice of the police who had foiled two terrorist plots since the 7 July attacks in London. In heated exchanges at prime minister's questions, Mr Blair said: "We are not living in a police state but we are living in a country that faces a real and serious threat of terrorism." The prime minister admitted he could lose the vote and said it was a test of leadership for himself and all MPs. Shuttle diplomacy? Ministers tried to reassure waverers by promising that the new laws would expire unless MPs renewed them in a year's time. Other concessions included promising scrutiny of the detention process by a High Court judge. Mr Howard had warned that the detention plans could alienate ethnic minority communities. Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy said the measure would almost certainly be defeated in the House of Lords, where two ex-law lords had called it "intolerable". In a sign of the importance given to the vote, Chancellor Gordon Brown was called back within minutes of arriving in Israel for a high profile visit. And Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also flew back early from EU-Russia talks in Moscow.

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