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 | Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments 
 
 Minutes of Meeting of March 15-17, 1995
 
 Wednesday, March 15, 1995
 
 Attending: Ruth Faden, Kenneth Feinberg, Eli Glatstein, Jay Katz,
 Patricia King, Susan Lederer, Ruth Macklin, Lois Norris, Nancy
 Oleinick, Henry Royal, Duncan Thomas, Reed Tuckson.
 
 Philip Caplan, Special Assistant to the President for
 Cabinet Affairs, officially opened the meeting.
 Dr. Faden briefed members on the agenda for the twelfth
 meeting of the Advisory Committee.
 
 Approval of Minutes
 
 Members approved without change the minutes of the February
 15-17, 1995, meeting of the Advisory Committee.
 
 Public Comment
 
 Ernest Sternglass, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Dr. Sternglass
 discussed radiation doses and health effects, particularly what
 he called serious health effects of low-dose exposures from
 fallout and other intentional releases of radioactivity. He said
 the impact of chronic low-dose exposures should be considered in
 the Committee s discussion of remedies.
 Dr. Sternglass urged that the Committee recommend an
 independent reassessment of a 1990 National Cancer Institute
 study of radiation dangers to residents of counties surrounding
 nuclear production facilities.
 Dr. Oleinick questioned Dr. Sternglass about his
 correlation of low birth weights to strontium-90 contamination.
 Elmerine Whitfield Bell, Dallas, Texas. Mrs. Bell, daughter
 of Elmer Allen (CAL-3), a subject in the University of
 California, San Francisco plutonium injections, spoke about her
 father and her family s experience living with the effects of his
 poor health. She also presented written testimony from her
 daughter about Mr. Allen s life.
 Mrs. Bell said her father was not properly informed nor did
 he give proper consent to plutonium injections, and she urged
 members to look critically at the UCSF committee report on the
 injections.
 Cooper Brown, Takoma Park, Maryland. Mr. Brown, of the Task
 Force on Radiation and Human Rights, presented a paper on
 principles the task force believes should guide remedies
 recommendations of the Advisory Committee.
 Dr. Oscar Rosen, Boston, Massachusetts. Dr. Rosen, commander
 of the National Association of Atomic Veterans, praised the work
 of the Committee in making the documentary record available to
 citizens. He also praised the Committee s disclosure of the
 experimental nature of fallout studies in Operation Jangle of
 1951. Dr. Rosen urged members to address a wide range of issues
 of importance to veterans exposed in nuclear weapons testing.
 Glenn Alcalay, New York, New York. Mr. Alcalay spoke about
 his work since 1975 with women of Utirik, an atoll in the
 Marshall Islands exposed to fallout during weapons testing. He
 criticized Brookhaven fallout studies for failing to assess the
 impact of radiation on fertility and birth outcomes in the
 Marshalls. He urged the Committee to recommend an epidemiological
 study of women in the Marshalls.
 Denise Nelson, Bethesda, Maryland. Mrs. Nelson spoke about
 premature deaths to downwinders from the Nevada Test Site and
 analogized their exposures to Nazi atrocities. She said the
 Radiation Exposure Compensation Act has not resulted in justice
 to downwinders, as many families  medical expenses have far
 outstripped compensation payments.
 Chris DeNicola, Valerie Wolf and Claudia Mullen, of New
 Orleans, Louisiana. Ms. Wolf said research subjects had been
 victimized as children in mind-control experiments, some of them
 involving radiation and torture. She said her clients in therapy,
 including Ms. DeNicola and Ms. Mullen, recalled similar incidents
 and suffered similar ailments. She urged the Committee to ensure
 full disclosure of CIA and military experiments along the lines
 of MKULTRA, Bluebird and Artichoke.
 Ms. DeNicola recalled being the subject of torture and
 exposure to drugs and radiation in Kansas City and Tucson, in
 1966-76. She said this was part of an effort to train her as a
 spy and assassin.
 Ms. Mullen described a series of exposures to drugs and
 abuse from age seven in 1957, continuing to 1984. She said the
 doctors involved were funded through Edgewood Arsenal in
 Maryland, and that numerous atrocious acts were committed by
 doctors and government officials.
 The panel of commenters called for appointment of a new
 commission to investigate the mind-control experiments.
 Suzanne Starr, Chimayo, New Mexico. Ms. Starr said that in
 1993 she began to recall experiences similar to those reported by
 Ms. DeNicola and Ms. Mullen. She described being the subject of
 abusive types of treatments or experiments as a child in Colorado
 in the 1950s and into the early 1960s. She said she continues to
 receive  program messages  urging her to kill herself. She said
 through therapy that she has found the strength to speak about
 her recollections.
 Steven Schwartz, Washington, D.C. Mr. Schwartz, a guest
 scholar at the Brookings Institution, spoke about the
 difficulties of tracking down documentation regarding the
 development and cost of the nuclear weapons complex. He said many
 records were destroyed and that adequate financial information
 was not kept by government agencies. He also discussed the
 difficulties of obtaining information through the Freedom of
 Information Act (FOIA) process.
 
 Update: Knoxville Small Panel Meeting. Nancy Oleinick.
 
 Dr. Oleinick briefed members on the Knoxville small panel
 meeting, held March 2. She noted the number of scientists and
 physicians who joined subjects and advocates on the list of
 persons speaking to the panel. Dr. Oleinick said the panel noted
 the expressions of fear and concern from citizens working or
 living near Department of Energy facilities; while these
 exposures may not be delimited in the charter of the Committee,
 Dr. Oleinick said that the Committee may wish to acknowledge
 these concerns and urge government agencies to take appropriate
 action.
 Dr. Oleinick said that problems of access to information are
 a continuing theme from public comment participants. She also
 noted that a number of patients and families expressed their
 gratitude that Oak Ridge facilities were available for
 experimental treatments for leukemia and other diseases.
 Dr. Faden thanked Dr. Oleinick and Dr. Royal for
 representing the Committee in Knoxville.
 
 Committee Discussion: Final Report. Dan Guttman.
 
 Mr. Guttman updated members on efforts of the staff to draft
 chapters for the final report.
 Anna Mastroianni, staff associate director, briefed members
 on the schedule for chapter drafts to be reviewed by Committee
 members.
 Dr. Royal asked that members receive comments from other
 members, so that members get the benefit of others  observations.
 At the suggestion of Dr. Katz, the staff was authorized to
 approve stylistic changes, but was directed to note for members
 the incorporation or the rejection of substantive suggestions
 from Committee members.
 Dr. Thomas and Dr. Macklin questioned the proposed
 organization of isotope distribution and biodistribution
 chapters, and Dr. Thomas suggested that the issues might be
 better organized along lines of therapeutic or diagnostic use and
 of experimental use that is not of benefit to the patient. Dr.
 Faden said a difficulty is the relative lack of information on
 radiotherapies, and Dr. Glatstein added that the Committee could
 not survey all subjects in the field of radiation.
 Dr. Thomas said that the reader of the proposed chapters
 might get the impression that the high toll of problematic
 research is the only story, without the story being told about
 the development of radiotherapies and both their costs and
 ultimate successes.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thursday, March 16, 1995
 
 Attending: Ruth Faden, Kenneth Feinberg, Eli Glatstein, Jay Katz,
 Patricia King, Susan Lederer, Ruth Macklin, Lois Norris, Nancy
 Oleinick, Henry Royal, Mary Ann Stevenson, Duncan Thomas, Reed
 Tuckson.
 
 Statement of Senator Wellstone
 
 Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota addressed the Committee
 and urged members to investigate thoroughly the concerns of armed
 services veterans exposed in connection with weapons tests. He
 recounted the experience of Minnesota veterans who today feel
 misled and neglected by their government because of health
 problems they ascribe to exposures in the nuclear tests.
 He noted the disclosure of fragmentary evidence of secret
 Veterans Administration files on veterans exposed during weapons
 testing. The senator informed the Committee of a preliminary
 study by the National Academy of Sciences that is considering
 whether it is feasible to do a full-scale medical follow-up
 study.
 He added that the Committee s analysis of intentional
 releases, though predicated on radiation exposures, might well
 apply to the spraying of zinc cadmium sulfide over many cities,
 including Minneapolis, as part of dispersal studies for
 biological and chemical warfare purposes in the 1950s and 1960s.
 Members questioned Senator Wellstone about the Committee s
 scope of inquiry regarding exposures to veterans; ethical
 criteria to judge intentional releases; and eligibility rules in
 existing radiation exposure compensation laws.
 
 Committee Discussion: Introductory Chapters. Ruth Faden.
 
 Members discussed staff suggestions for introductory
 chapters in the Committee s final report.
 Subjects discussed by members included the treatment of the
 Nuremberg doctors  trials and the Wilson memorandum that flowed
 from principles promulgated at the Nuremberg trials; the Cold War
 backdrop for experiments in the United States; the sense of
 betrayal felt by affected citizens toward their government; the
 Nuremberg Code as a description of accepted research practices of
 its time; and the need to capture first principles in
 introductory sections of the report.
 Dr. Royal emphasized that members need to make drafting
 suggestions as early as possible. Dr. Katz suggested that the
 opening chapter may be the last to be finalized.
 Dr. Tuckson said that the introductory chapter should lay
 out the questions the Committee was formed to answer. Professor
 King said Dr. Tuckson s suggestion should lead the Committee to
 begin its report with the story of how the Committee was formed
 in the wake of the 1993 Albuquerque Tribune series.
 Members discussed the draft Part I, Chapter 2. Subjects
 discussed included the use of Walt Disney references in the
 draft; some members suggested starting with the existence of
 radioactivity since the dawn of time. Professor King said the
 audience for the final report is the American public, requiring
 the broadest treatment of the story uncovered by the Committee.
 Dr. Royal suggested that the final report should be useful
 to policymakers first of all, as the Committee wants the
 government and the professions to take steps to avoid mistakes of
 the past.
 Dr. Oleinick suggested places where the chapter might note
 the broader context of useful radioisotope research, and the fact
 that the vast majority of experiments were on animals.
 Members suggested small editorial changes to make the
 chapter more clear, and Mr. Guttman said that timelines will be
 included in future drafts.
 Dr. Tuckson said the chapter, including the Walt Disney
 reference, usefully illustrates how people thought of radiation
 in periods covered by the report. He said another audience for
 the report is the large number of veterans and other stakeholders
 who have appeared before the Committee.
 Members discussed Chapter 2-A draft, and the question of
 whether a stand-alone chapter of testimony from public comment
 participants should be included. Dr. Macklin suggested it should
 be included as parts of relevant chapters, but Dr. Thomas said
 that he felt it a powerful statement of pain felt by many
 citizens. Dr. Glatstein and Professor King said chapter 2-A
 should be in the report, but perhaps as an appendix rather than
 as a chapter.
 Dr. Tuckson suggested that the chapter should include a set
 of statements representative of all the general categories of
 concerns addressed in public comment periods.
 Dr. Faden said the decision on whether to include a separate
 testimony chapter would be revisited after more chapters are
 complete. She said it may also be a relevant part of the findings
 chapter.
 
 Committee Discussion: Recommendations. Ruth Faden.
 
 Dr. Faden briefed members on plans for a findings chapter
 that would precede the recommendations of the Committee in the
 final report. She emphasized that the discussion was intended to
 elicit from members general areas that should be addressed in the
 findings, but not to make final conclusions about findings or
 recommendations flowing from them.
 Members addressed drafts prepared by the staff. Issues
 discussed by members included the order and organization of the
 findings; the need to propose attainable goals and objectives to
 government agencies; and the need to craft findings relevant to
 experiments of opportunity and intentional releases, as well as
 traditional biomedical experiments.
 Members discussed findings regarding secrecy; linkages of
 culpability and compensatory recommendations; phrasing
 recommendations to maintain editorial consistency; the difficulty
 of matching abstract cases, and appropriate compensation.
 Members noted the distinctions between cases in which
 exemplary damages should be paid by the government, and the
 problems of drawing distinctions with other cases in which harms
 or wrongs have occurred, but where the historical record may not
 be clear enough to provide guidance about compensation or other
 remedies.
 Dr. Royal also noted that widely varying judgments may be
 made about risks and benefits of physical harms.
 Members discussed the difficulties of demonstrating
 causation, and whether the draft findings inconsistently held
 that presumptions could be made with respect to informed consent
 and not made with respect to physical harms. Mr. Feinberg said
 the draft findings envision a panel of scientists to develop
 reasonable presumptions.
 Mr. Feinberg said that if medical presumptions cannot be
 established, then a general apology might be available to those
 wronged, but compensation could only be granted to those persons
 who are victims of government cover-ups. Professor King noted the
 difficulty for many subjects in demonstrating that they were
 victims of a government cover-up.
 
 Presentation: National Research Council Study, Alaska I-131.
 Chester M. Pierce.
 
 Dr. Chester Pierce, chair of the National Research
 Council/Institute of Medicine Committee for Evaluation of 1950s
 Air Force Human Health Testing in Alaska Using Radioisotope
 Iodine-131, briefed members on the progress of the study.
 Members questioned Dr. Pierce and Mr. Loren Setlow, director
 of the NRC/IOM study, about the background and training of the
 principal investigator and about the investigator's training at
 Chicago for use of isotopes provided by the Atomic Energy
 Commission; about consent issues raised by subjects in 1994
 hearings before the NRC/IOM panel; about the language and
 cultural difficulties between native Alaskan subjects and the
 investigators; and about what the NRC/IOM panel considered
 generally acceptable medical standards in the 1950s.
 
 Committee Discussion: Recommendations. Ruth Faden.
 
 Members resumed their discussion of remedies. Mr. Feinberg
 and Dr. Macklin said issues of justice might guide the
 Committee s decision about presumptions for the purpose of
 remedies, but Mr. Feinberg said that it is important that the
 Committee adopt a scheme that avoids the scientific difficulties
 of setting either restrictive presumptions or overly generous
 presumptions that would be too costly and thus unlikely to be
 adopted by the government.
 Dr. Glatstein said the intentional releases and other mass
 exposures should be treated separately, with generous
 presumptions for medical problems thought to be related to mass
 exposures.
 Members revisited the issue of biomedical experiments in the
 draft findings. Dr. Thomas said the Advisory Committee should
 recommend that Congress give policy guidance up front to allow
 scientists to make reasonable judgments of probability of
 causation of harms.
 Professor King said that dealing with mass exposure
 presumptions might obviate discussion about what Mr. Feinberg
 called fine and potentially invidious distinctions among
 different types of experiments.
 Professor King summarized the question: If the Committee
 concludes that consent was likely not obtained in many cases,
 then a presumption is created for remedies, without strict
 standards of causality in scientific terms.
 Dr. Thomas said there is a tradeoff: with high likelihood of
 culpability, generous presumptions on causality; with low
 likelihood of culpability, higher standards for causality.
 Dr. Katz said that it is important that remedies be readily
 applicable and should not be subject to more lengthy deliberation
 before being put into effect.
 
 Friday, March 17, 1995
 
 Attending: Ruth Faden, Eli Glatstein, Jay Katz, Patricia King,
 Susan Lederer, Ruth Macklin, Lois Norris, Nancy Oleinick, Henry
 Royal, Philip Russell, Duncan Thomas, Reed Tuckson.
 
 Staff Report: Subject Interview Study. Jeremy Sugarman, Nancy
 Kass, Steve Goodman.
 
 Dr. Sugarman briefed members on the progress of the subject
 interview study. He said 16 of 19 IRBs at institutions approached
 about the study had approved it, and the 16 sites include an
 equal number of university, veterans and community hospitals, and
 governmental research institutions.
 Dr. Kass said 79 in-depth interviews have already been
 completed, and she outlined plans for compiling and assessing the
 data. Dr. Faden introduced Dr. Steve Goodman and Ms. Monica
 Schoch-Spana, who are working on the project.
 Members questioned the staff about the sorting and
 quantative analysis of data and initial impressions from the
 early returns of in-depth interviews.
 
 Staff Report: Research Proposal Reviews. Gail Geller, Sara
 Chandros.
 
 Ms. Chandros reported that 59 radiation reviews and two
 nonradiation reviews were completed and in the database by March
 13. She said more than 100 reviews remain to be done to meet the
 Committee s original goals for the project.
 Ms.Chandros briefed members on the preliminary findings of
 the study. She said almost half of the surveys completed have
 been rated highly, with eight rated as raising serious ethical
 concerns. The latter generally were proposals involving higher
 levels of risk, Ms. Chandros said.
 Members agreed to prioritize the pool of reviews to reach a
 goal of five studies per cell of the analytical grid, reducing
 the number of reviews to be done by about 20. Nonradiation
 comparison studies would be reduced to about 40 as a result.
 Members will also be paired with staff members as co-reviewers to
 increase the number of reviews completed.
 Members also discussed the process of rating studies and how
 studies are packaged for review.
 Dr. Katz reported on his review of 50 protocols. Thirty
 represented minimal or no risk, as in questionnaire-type studies
 or tracer studies. Dr. Katz said of the 20 involving higher risk,
 four were handled well. Ten studies would be given low ratings,
 on the ACHRE scale, ratings of 4 or 5, Dr. Katz said, outlining
 specific risks that he felt were very poorly dealt with, or
 entirely left out of, consent forms.
 Dr. Russell suggested that a problem is the interweaving of
 risk discussions with other explanations, and Dr. Royal added
 that few protocols he has seen provide adequate discussion of
 quality of life issues facing patients. Dr. Royal said the
 possibility of benefits is also often poorly explained to
 patients.
 Dr. Macklin noted the Committee does not have available to
 it the verbal presentations to IRBs, in cases where the
 investigator is present for review of protocols. Dr. Macklin said
 there may be a huge variability in IRB processes, including
 whether investigators are disdainful of the IRB process, as she
 has found some to be.
 Dr. Katz said his conclusion is that, among studies
 involving more than minimal risk factors, a primary
 responsibility of IRBs, to review closely the consent process, is
 not being adequately met 50 percent of the time. Dr. Faden noted
 that these are all approved projects, currently being conducted
 across the country.
 Dr. Katz also noted that the longer consent forms, some of
 them nine or ten pages, were the most unclear about risk and
 benefit.
 Dr. Geller said there may be problems with IRB review, in
 terms of IRBs being willing to question the scientific merit of a
 protocol. Dr. Russell said there is often no funding agency or
 other body to which IRBs could refer protocols that raise
 questions of scientific merit.
 
 Committee Discussion: Forward-looking Recommendations. Ruth
 Faden.
 
 Members discussed in general terms a list of ideas for
 forward-looking recommendations for the final report.
 Dr. Macklin said that the recommendations should make clear
 whether there should be uniform enforcement of ethical standards
 for research. Achieving uniformity in today's decentralized
 system may involve changes that will not be popular with some
 participants in today's system, Dr. Macklin said.
 Dr. Katz said federal regulations need to be revised
 radically, and that recommendations directed to IRBs may not be
 helpful in light of a lack of a national board to oversee the IRB
 process.
 Dr. Russell said the search for uniformity across the
 federal government is likely to bring down the average quality
 rather than to raise it. He doubted the wisdom of adding another
 centralized level of bureaucracy.
 Dr. Faden asked that the staff circulate an article by Dr.
 Katz on the issue of a national board to oversee human subject
 research.
 Mr. Guttman said the recommendations might include
 suggestions about what a citizen should ask if he/she or a family
 member is asked to be a study subject.
 Dr. Glatstein said federal funding should be tied to
 educational requirements for IRBs, or a national conference for
 focusing on consent issues. NIH has not been a regulatory agency,
 he said.
 Dr. Russell said the bureaucratic workload should be reduced
 to focus more attention on higher-risk protocols.
 Dr. Glatstein said that there is an underlying tendency
 among IRB members to support investigators  proposals,
 particularly when the goal of the study is perceived as
 particularly valuable. Members discussed the wisdom of adding
 more lay persons to IRBs.
 Members generally agreed with addressing in the final report
 concepts of differentiating research from treatment; better
 communicating of risk and benefit; and avoiding presumptions of
 agreement in consent forms. Members also discussed the role of
 drug companies in funding clinical trials.
 Dr. Royal said that oversight of research should not be
 vested in funding agencies, which have a vested interest in
 funding more research. Consent forms are preserved under existing
 regulations, and perhaps should be audited or reviewed, he said.
 Having some feedback about issues of communicating risk and
 benefit to the patient would provide the most bang for the buck
 in federal terms, Dr. Royal said.
 Dr. Glatstein said the National Cancer Institute already
 reviews consent forms, but he said that a recommendation might
 include focusing such agencies more on issues of communication
 with patients.
 Drs. Russell and Glatstein said regulatory agencies such as
 the Joint Committee on Accreditation of Hospitals tend to look at
 whether IRBs exist, but a Committee recommendation might seek
 more attention on whether they are doing a good job.
 Members discussed ideas for more education for IRB members
 on ethical concerns.
 Dr. Tuckson said that the big picture is that
 recommendations ought to change govenrment behavior. Professor
 King said certification of IRB members may not achieve Dr.
 Tuckson s big-picture goal, and that the responses to these
 issues must be more than perfunctory on the part of the
 participants in the medical community; the recommendations must
 be more than credentialism through certification, but should,
 perhaps, suggest ways for IRBs to accomplish goals of real
 communication in the IRB and elsewhere in the system.
 Dr. Faden said ideas for educational recommendations should
 be aimed at the widest community of biomedical research.
 Dr. Royal said the advantage of certification is that people
 cannot say after the fact that they didn t know the rules.
 Dr. Macklin concluded that both sides of the certification
 discussion are correct.
 Dr. Tuckson said that there needs to be some convening of
 leadership in American universities and hospitals, to determine
 how to achieve important ethical goals.
 Professor King said the IRB enterprise should empower lay
 members to address ethics issues.
 Dr. Tuckson said the relevant background material is also
 important and should be readily available.
 Members discussed accountability, oversight and sanctions.
 Members focused on questions of what is practical in a time of
 declining federal spending, and what actual monitoring of the
 consent process is done today. Dr. Macklin noted that oversight
 and monitoring of the consent process is envisioned in today's
 regulations, but is in fact rarely done.
 While Dr. Katz suggested that such reviews would be very
 unpopular with investigators, Dr. Glatstein said that regulations
 tied to funding will be obeyed.
 Members asked staff for details about sanctions that might
 be deployed to improve ethical conduct. Dr. Macklin suggested
 that IRBs may not be the best mechanism to determine whether
 sanctions should be invoked.
 Members moved to a discussion of potential categories of
 remedies in response to findings about intentional releases and
 mass exposures. Dr. Glatstein said planned intentional releases
 or exposures of soldiers should require written authorization
 from the President of the United States.
 Dr. Russell noted that civilian authority is already
 asserted over the military by the service secretaries, who are
 appointed by and responsible to the President. Dr. Russell also
 noted that today's armed forces regulations include extensive
 risk analyses, extending beyond radiation. He suggested
 addressing recommendations to the interface between training and
 research activities, and particularly embedding instruction in
 human research ethics in th education of officers of the U.S.
 armed forces.
 Dr. Faden asked the staff to provide a background paper on
 mechanisms and recommendations regarding waiver of exposure
 standards. Members also asked for clarification of issues
 involving medical interventions to protect troops.
 Members generally approved addressing issues of openness,
 including preservation of the Advisory Committee document
 collection for citizen use, and an ombudsman for citizen access
 to archives on this subject generally. Members asked for detail
 about a proposed registry of human subject research.
 
 Committee Discussion: Retrospective Recommendations and
 Notification. Ruth Faden.
 
 Members discussed the charter requirement that the Committee
 address the issue of notification of subjects of experimentation.
 Dr. Faden said the Committee's research into children,
 prisoners and fetuses exposed to ionizing radiation have been the
 principal focus of notification requirements. Dr. Thomas has also
 been asked to consider issues of genetic effects and notification
 of subsequent generations.
 Dr. Royal asked that staff further research a suggestion
 that a notification effort be aimed at potential thyroid cases
 where exposures suggest 1 in 1,000 chance of abnormalities.
 Dr. Thomas and Professor King suggested that there are
 models for inquiring of people whether they would like to know
 about potential threats, e.g. genetic screening cases.
 Professor King said issues might involve reproductive
 health. Dr. Royal said large-dose studies of I-131 have shown no
 connection with reproductive health.
 Dr. Royal said the vast increase in efficiency of diagnostic
 techniques results in more treatment of slow-growing cancers,
 like thyroid and prostate, which may result in more morbidity
 because of interventions arising from notifying persons than from
 leaving well enough alone.
 Professor King said the critical issue is putting those on a
 research protocol in the past on the same footing as those today.
 While there are people who do not want to know, they would have
 the right to know today, she said.
 Dr. Tuckson said that the individual should have the
 opportunity to seek more information, similar to testing for
 Parkinson s disease genes. Public concern is very great and the
 issue must be addressed, even if there remain great practical
 difficulties, Dr. Tuckson said.
 Dr. Royal said notification is also bound up with the
 knowledge of the circumstances of the experiment, so that the
 chance of a reasonable diagnosis and treatment is increased.
 Dr. Tuckson said that institutions that conducted radiation
 experiments have a moral obligation to find subjects and notify
 them.
 Dr. Macklin said it is a matter of rights, the exercise of
 which sometimes results in harms.
 Dr. Faden summarized the discussion: that people have a
 right to know if they were subjects, and that no barriers should
 be erected to people finding out. She said the Committee would
 leave open for the moment the criteria by which institutions
 should choose which experiments to focus notification efforts.
 Dr. Thomas added that any program should respect the right
 not to know of those who do not wish to know.
 Dr. Faden said the practical problem is finding people.
 
 Meeting Update
 
 Dr. Faden briefed members on the upcoming meeting schedule.
 As the designated federal official, Mr. Guttman closed the
 meeting at 4 p.m.
 
 
 
 
 
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